Comments on: Torture Is Very Effective http://adennak.com/blog/wordpress/2009/05/were-still-on-torture/ Games, Politics, and all other things unsavory. Wed, 21 Mar 2012 17:06:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Aden Nak http://adennak.com/blog/wordpress/2009/05/were-still-on-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-8752 Aden Nak Fri, 22 May 2009 07:00:50 +0000 http://adennak.com/blog/wordpress/?p=192#comment-8752 Believe me, David, I thought long and hard about whether this is paranoia or legitimate reasoning. But in the end, I simply can't come to any other conclusion. Nothing else makes sense. They're terrible cock-ups in anything they actually try to accomplish, but I don't think guys like Cheney and Rumsfeld are quite so daft as to not understand what torture is and isn't used for. Yohami, we are all entitled to our opinions. And yes, PNAC at one point pined for "another Pearl Harbor", which is a phrase that got tossed around after 9/11. But I don't honestly believe that they were responsible. One reason is the look on Bush's face when Andy Card leaned over and whispered in his ear. But even if Bush was out of the loop, I still just don't buy it. As I said a moment ago, these guys are horrifically inept. All of the evidence suggests that they neither understood nor had any significant interest in al Queda or the Taliban. It's my genuine opinion that they found themselves in the Perfect Shitstorm after 9/11, and simply exploited it for all it was worth. Believe me, David, I thought long and hard about whether this is paranoia or legitimate reasoning. But in the end, I simply can’t come to any other conclusion. Nothing else makes sense. They’re terrible cock-ups in anything they actually try to accomplish, but I don’t think guys like Cheney and Rumsfeld are quite so daft as to not understand what torture is and isn’t used for.

Yohami, we are all entitled to our opinions. And yes, PNAC at one point pined for “another Pearl Harbor”, which is a phrase that got tossed around after 9/11. But I don’t honestly believe that they were responsible. One reason is the look on Bush’s face when Andy Card leaned over and whispered in his ear. But even if Bush was out of the loop, I still just don’t buy it. As I said a moment ago, these guys are horrifically inept. All of the evidence suggests that they neither understood nor had any significant interest in al Queda or the Taliban. It’s my genuine opinion that they found themselves in the Perfect Shitstorm after 9/11, and simply exploited it for all it was worth.

]]> By: David S http://adennak.com/blog/wordpress/2009/05/were-still-on-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-8747 David S Thu, 21 May 2009 17:36:12 +0000 http://adennak.com/blog/wordpress/?p=192#comment-8747 Normally I'd shrug this off as "overly paranoid." However, with the newest data coming out about when we started torturing our 'high-value targets' supports this theory. I also thought we got off our high horse, shot it, and turned it into glue with the whole Iraq situation anyway. Best way to squander any good will we received for losing ~3000 people, and let the ter'rists win. At least he can't hurt his daddy anymore (since we 'gave him' to the Iraqi gov't who immediately commuted his sentence)? Normally I’d shrug this off as “overly paranoid.” However, with the newest data coming out about when we started torturing our ‘high-value targets’ supports this theory. I also thought we got off our high horse, shot it, and turned it into glue with the whole Iraq situation anyway. Best way to squander any good will we received for losing ~3000 people, and let the ter’rists win. At least he can’t hurt his daddy anymore (since we ‘gave him’ to the Iraqi gov’t who immediately commuted his sentence)?

]]> By: yohami http://adennak.com/blog/wordpress/2009/05/were-still-on-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-8736 yohami Thu, 21 May 2009 06:21:41 +0000 http://adennak.com/blog/wordpress/?p=192#comment-8736 Brilliant dude. By the way theres no men behind 9/11, these same guys organized it, and I know that is harder to swallow, but thats the point. These guys best weapon is the common sense that prevents people to look at things as how they are. They sell the stupid "truth hurts". Yeah. Only when you wake up and realize you passed out while the party was on you. Brilliant dude. By the way theres no men behind 9/11, these same guys organized it, and I know that is harder to swallow, but thats the point. These guys best weapon is the common sense that prevents people to look at things as how they are. They sell the stupid “truth hurts”. Yeah. Only when you wake up and realize you passed out while the party was on you.

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